1. moral conscience is deemed untrustworthy and My daughter did a several hour training module to work for the YMCA. "It's OK to have that urge and feel it and act upon it, as long as you're not lusting. AND more important: WITCHES hiding among us to be smelled out. IMO talking about conscience does indeed get close to reason and experience, except I dont think that is a bad thing. An anonymous "John Doe" plaintiff who says he suffered sex abusewhile he attended a Christian youth camp based near Branson recentlysued a former counselorfor civil damages. @ Refugee: I honestly think GRACE has good intentions. Donald Trump. I mean, I live 4-5 hours away, so maybe its more familiar to me, but its well known apparently outside of the area, yes, enough to make it onto the simpsons lol. Can you make a circus tent? My Comment was Deleted :o). The day the camp director found out, both counselors from that cabin were told to pack their bags and leave, and all of the parents of kids in the cabin were informed. He also went onfather-son retreats with Newman. These people groom everyone they can reach who would stand in a position that they can use or that could possibly bring them harm, including political and law enforcement figures. We all are. Regards, Haw! Well, there is something to that, but no emphasis was placed on training the conscienceonly on understanding doctrine and memorizing bible verses. I pray frequently for Petes victims healing, and that Pete remains in jail while here on earth. . What is profitable for the body of Christ is truth. At the time that was taken seriously by the parents, mine included, and once one went past that second set of doors one was quiet. It is hard to tell, for sure. "That ministry" Kanakuk "should have caught on.". I know that people have a lot of problems with the conservative resurgence, but from my standpoint the sbc style baptists had got into such a mess that something needed done. so, what i was getting at is my observation for why church leaders accommodate questionable behavior in their staff and themselves (which, of course, in this context is criminal behavior to people who breath oxygenated air), instead of being tough. And maybe he felt that spilling the beans on the dark side of the Resurgence would help the SBC and the whole Church. The electric bill is almost 300 this month due to the heat/humidity thank goodness its finally lowering in temp. Heres a link to an article about them building Bushs house. PP is interesting. If I had young children and theyd been to any Christian activities, I would be paranoid. I would be spending time talking with them and seeking to ascertain if anything like this had happened to them or kids they know. Plaintiffs accusedother Kanakuk officials, including owner White,of being aware that Newman had abused kidsyearsbefore Newman's criminal conviction. He is. It is not Mephistopheles but Faust who embodies the constant, sleepless, unsmiling concentration upon Self which is the true mark of Hell.. The negotiations were a bruising experience. As far as campers and camp employeesgo, "thousands" of high school and college-aged students come to Branson each year, Hoffpauir said, some drawn to Kanakuk's educational arms, Link Academy and Kanakuk Institute. I think we have entered into a new realm where we have to question and be vigilant when it comes to Christian institutions and leaders. Well, whenever a new couple with kids joined the church, the Respectable Church Ladies would steer them to the pedo so hed molest the noobs kids, not theirs. In 2009, Fellowship Memphis apparentlydecided that Peter Newman would be a wonderful person to hire!!!!! PS I dont know how much business Boz is getting on the assessing and reporting end of things these days. So, yes, I can relate to Garabedians plight in Boston. There is never a real sincere moment even when they seem so sincere. Companies sent people to training to show insurance companies they took it seriously. @ Jeffrey Chalmers: Pete & Katie Newman are the Directors of K-Kountry. Isnt that the truth. And sadly, the followers have to share in the responsibility of creating and maintaining these monsters and their protectors. They should close down. And yet, in sacred Scripture, we learn about the law that God inscribes on the hearts of human persons, this: They want to have heroes. I know highly trained auditors (including in my family) and they arent licensed. There is a false Church today in this world. Frankly, when diversity takes that much of a hit, you can get some cult stuff developing . Up your alley! @ Lydia: Newman was "just a fun dude," Hoffpauir said:"He invited me to hang out with him. Then I read the story. I can use what I have and borrowed some clothes. @ Bridget: I had always though they could be identified by their smooth tongue only to find out many have a real gift for listening. I could rant more, but I am just singing to choir with you all.. retaining a person on staff who is a child predator and actually has been arrested for that is bad PR! Well in a word yeah. Do you have a news link for that story? Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment. I suppose that assumes that they were. no big deal!?!? no Jonah there then. Im just going to post it again for new readers affected by this story. Kanakuk said in its most recent IRS filing thatrevenues topped $31.6 million in 2019. Or people thinking we can bring repentant molester cons back into institutions. Or people thinking we can bring repentant molester cons back into institutions. That is how the name con artist was coined.. confidence trick or confidence artist. It truly is a strange religion; bizarrely skewed and with virtually no connection to everyday sane and practical reality. The time I heard it that had THE most impact was on a CD by this one small-press Furry cartoonist from VA who was passing them out at AnthroCon some 15 years ago. Fixing the mentality behind the protection of evil men? but how does God doesnt meet with them there when He has said, I do know my brother literally cannot NOT manipulate. "I'm just saying (to her), you cannot blame other people. A while back, there was a male counselor who allowed his cabin of boys to horse around in the cabin while naked. And I found something interesting: Historically there have been two archetypes of Antichrist: The Fanatic Persecutor and The Slick Deceiver (easily symbolized by The Beast and The False Prophet). I think he is clever and I have no doubt his materials are good. I have no doubt that many of the children of this movement will rebel and go far away from it, and cause it to completely disintegrate in the future. There are wolves in sheeps clothing. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead mens bones and all kinds of filth.. I dont know how to fix it. The problem is that some organizations will NOT do the right thing until they know it will cost them. I have had a calling towards Student Ministry for many years and volunteered alongside Pete at the local Methodist Church. They develop their act from the time they are children. . Real leaders are humble and they are transparent. Unfortunatelywell, we all know the rest of the story. I dont get it. She's blaming other parents for not saying things, but they didn't even know. Kanakuk's leader, Joe White, claims to have served over 500,000 youth from all 50 states and around the world during its history. I also grew up going to Branson when I was young. To hold a corporate officer liable, he must have had actual, constructive knowledge of the actionable wrong and participated therein, the document states. To say his affect was hypnotic, would be an understatement. As soon as Kanakuk became aware of abuse, we took action, including immediate termination and reporting of this individual. Women and children are obviously not part of the body. Few do. On that first night of abuse, Dygert said Newman told him, "'This would be one of the best bonding things we could do.' Brian, you are partially getting it but not completely. It's two grand-plus to go to camp for two weeks. It is so hard for people to understand how it works. ", Later, Hoffpauir said the sessions with Staples "deteriorated. It comes highly rated as a Christian camp (make that kamp) and we all know Christian = safe, has an emphasis on sports, has achieved some national notoriety, and is only three hours from here. That is fine but that is not a victim advocate. but counseling can be paid for, and other help provided for victims. I mean, I live 4-5 hours away, so maybe its more familiar to me, but its well known apparently outside of the area, yes, enough to make it onto the simpsons lol. Camp officials also allowed Newman to "continue to promote himself all over America as an expert on teenage sexual purity.". 1. I this specific, it appears Sandy Wilson was to concerned about church disciplining someone challenging him Figures.. Dave (Eagle) wrote: Its also known for gospel music and country music, isnt it? (Id also have no problem suing a church into oblivion if their negligence caused my child harm.) We only hope they all grow stronger from this. Survivors and ex-employees say the camp didn't do enough. There always has been a small percentage that are good and a larger percentage that are not. Poor, poor judge Aaron Persky is now asking for money because his career is taking a hit. And they seem to have friends in the local law enforcement that will cover for them too. Its not inside the church, but its only a few feet from the churchs parking lot, front walk, etc. (KY3) - A former Kanakuk Kamps counselor already convicted of sexually abusing young boys has been hit with another judgment in civil court, a case leading to $29.6 million for victims. And it sends a message. Is that why I enjoyed Shrek? have they announced who is Gods Choice THIS year? Titles? There seems to be a lack of wisdom or even common sense in large swaths of Christendom these days. Im glad there is a witness who says he/she will come forward if leadership lies about what went down. Growing public awareness of controversy linked to Kanakuk camp began early last year. The more education, the better. But depositions show that camp leaders knew about the abuse a decade earlier, and now a Missouri church has announced it will cancel a planned event and no longer partner with Kanakuk "until the truth of their knowledge about what happened with Pete Newman is openly confessed.". Velour wrote: Join a small fellowship that preaches Jesus and Him crucified but has no desire to become the next mega/multi-site/church planting hub/trendy/etc. Both men said the Frenches' reporting gave them a sense of validation, even as it "rocked the boat a lot," in Dygert's words: They learned they weren't alone. @ Christiane: "He, like, challenged me," Dygert said. But fixing the heart? We are committed to our vision that todays young adults are the Christian leaders of tomorrow, and we will continue to advocate for their safety as they grow in friendships, faith, and confidence. The bigger, more scary, question is why people in the pews go along with that thinking. They flatter and groom- not just their victims but everyone. I dont know how to make it happen. He is serving a 10-year sentence at a Jefferson City prison facility, Missouri Department of Corrections records show.). Two members of Neugebauer's family have corroborated the details of his account and tell me they were told of his efforts contemporaneously: his wife and his father, who is a former member of the U.S. House of Representatives. If an individual is at fault through malice, incompetence, etc, the individual should be held responsible. Bernie Madoff was described as very warm and charming. Colleges are often very bad in dealing with rape, too. The child/woman is always unimportant/prey. Should someone let Boz Tchividjian and GRACE know their services are inferior to the secular programs? Also, here is the little description: I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. HUG, I am sorry that happened. Did he really believe that because its what hed been told by Joe White, or did he know more? Gateway considered Sammy a pastor and even flew him out regularly for staff chapel and pastors meetings. The most ruinous con men are the most ingratiating, an unfriendly swindler wont get very far. Just think about how this impacted his adolescence and who he is today. When did that go by? What is the Christian formation for the development of moral conscience within the neo-Cal theology??? Yet today (in the Age of The Gospel According to Hal Lindsay and Left Behind), the only archetype of Antichrist is The Fanatic Persecutor. This modified form of ignorance is found in people who, if confronted with certain truths realize that they have to accept them and thereby acknowledge evil, and that scares them. NO what was done was painstakingly planned, patiently executed, and is ugly and disturbing beyond belief. There certainly seems to be a lot of nepotism. And like, competitive. Righteous Mass Movements can do without a God, but HAVE to have a Devil. As the News-Leader reported last month, the unsigned open letter argued that Kanakuk should agree to an external, independent investigation by a law firm. ", Hoffpauir characterized this line of thinking as "just kind of a toxic purity culture. . Lydia, didnt the doctrine of soul competency take a hit when Patterson put the 2000 BF&M changes into play? Of course there are some similarities and some overlap on some issues. 5:3? Props to Todd Wilhelm for joining you when he was visiting the U.S. again from the Middle East. And if not dealt with properly their credibility ruined forever. Fellowship Memphis wouldnt have touched him with a ten-foot pole, much less hired him on staff. He spoke to thousands of kids every year through LifeWay. He has not, to my knowledge, been accused of any sex crimes. They kept Sammy on staff up until his arrest. When did the simple trusting in Our Lord become obsolete? I caught this today: Dallas Theological Seminary is adding sexual abuse awareness training as a graduation requirement: http://m.christianpost.com/news/texas-seminary-require-ministry-students-complete-sexual-abuse-awareness-training-168750/?m=1. It was a horrible situation for them. May 26, 2022, 4:15 AM. What on earth is going on in christian land these days? You will see Joe White CEO, Doug Goodwin President, and Kris Cooper former director state that they knew that Newman was getting naked with under age boys on multiple occasions as early as 1999, and also sleeping one on one with them. Hi MUFF, pete newman was an amazing man that obviously all of you did not know. OK, I'll pray for you. '", He added, "Now, looking back, I know no grown man should be hanging out with a little kid like that.". People are divided on what they think in this area, not just the baptists. They get to do the wrong or unfair things with no consequences. They were spurred by a growing public awareness of controversy linked to Kanakuk that began in early 2021. However, it is because of Pete, that I have developed a worldview that acknowledges the power of sin and that no one is immune to the influence of the flesh. Ugh, I have seen this ruin a person. Pete was what a Christian should look like. Is this the only Christian camp in Branson? It might have been the first time he was abused; he can't remember. The baptist church of my earliest years had a quote from the bible carved over the doors between the vestibule/narthex and the church/nave. They believed this way before they ever had a ministry, but they did have men in the church and pastors grooming them and telling them that a call from God meant they would do great things. Here is my bottom line for all churches and parachurches: Churches and Ministries: stop making your uninformedchurch members and attendees the guinea pigs foryour gospel experiments withpedophilesand voyeurs. He does indeed get it. Both of those things can be effective and I am fond of anything that is affective. They also hire people with criminal records to supervise the kids. It is not easy at all to find lawyers who will sue religious organizations. I could be wrong. Boys club. I would call the culling of those missionaries an attack against a healthy diversity within the SBC, and the missionaries belonged to a faith group that leadership no longer wanted to have influence in the SBC. They are empty men, pursuing the almighty dollar, masquerading in sheep costumes, men without souls. time to stop trusting in these clowns who preach that they KNOW who is saved or who is a real Christian. @ Nancy2: Like Steven Furticks mega chronicling the expense of how many breath mints Pastor and Staff consume each year while remaining silent on where the money for Pastors estate and mansion came from? Thats why they have to take over churches instead of planting new ones. Putting a building on a pedestal does not fall in that category. And I only believe about 10% of what they say or do.Lord come soon!!!!! The Bible also says that were not to call good people evil and evil people good. I honestly dont know. In February 2010, Peter Newman pleaded guilty in Taney County to several counts of statutory sodomy and child enticement involving child abuse of a boy on Kanakuk property between approximately 2005 and 2008, records state. Huh? Those indents alone revealed that something perverted was going on. Wait, I dont remember reading this. Both of those things can be effective and I am fond of anything that is affective. Newman, Hoffpauir said, performed the ceremony. But why would authority in one thing lead you to allow somebody else authority who is so obviously a problem (like, just for example, men awaiting trial for abusing children)? But yes, it is all a lie. It was a sampler album for his garage band, and right in the middle of all these Furry filksongs comes Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent, sung Absolutely Straight. And the bible does not have answers to every single question or conflict that comes ones way, obviously. It is so hard for people to understand how it works. I think churches should be much quicker to fire staff who make reckless negligent decisions, like fellowship did though. ", "And it was Pete," Hoffpauir said. Is this accurate? Like The HUMBLE One Himself (chuckle chuckle)? I saw an old proverb: I would rather file down the claws of a tiger than teach a sheep to attack. Most who take them on are paid to file or hoping for a keep quiet settlement of sorts to pay for their time. (He is married and has children.). I had to take my dogs for a walk I was so mad. 23,515 views Sep 15, 2011 : ( We all love and miss Pete, He was a great influence on all our kid's lives. "Super-fun guy, muscular, real big, sporty, athletic the guy that all kids wanted to be when they grew up.". Lea wrote: The people have a right to know. Those days are drawing to a close and they will soon experience their own Waterloo so to speak. The most ruinous con men are the most ingratiating, an unfriendly swindler wont get very far. @ Nancy2: He has no problem taking money from the Church for his own pockets when training them, just not when it comes to getting money for actual victim?? I think there is definitely an old boy network with the pastors. So, how many points are there on a line? After all Sandy Willson had more pressing issues! One reason is that those positions are often filled right at the beginning. No More Victims, whose organizers have not been made public, recently issued an open letter to Kanakuk and its owner, White. There are people who are suffering in silence, feeling completely alone, to the point of taking their own lives because they don't know how to cope, how to deal with it. How can having a first class pervert not have significant, long term damage to boys??? very beautiful liturgies and ancient liturgies in those Churches. And I will say to them, be gone from Me I never knew you, workers of lawlessness. Amen, and even Penn State cleaned house when it blew up But not a Christain organization Instead, lets further tear fiwn the victims to defefend ourselves Yup, they really are modeling Christ.. On this issue there has to be zero tolerance. "I would say it was helpful for the first year or so, because I was able to just express my thoughts and feelings with someone who I at that time trusted. But, are you are ultimately taking the money from the bad guys or someone else? Many here have referred to it as the long con. I dont view him a victim advocate at all but a protector of some institutions after abuse had occurred. Looks like the Resurgence went too far in the OTHER direction. They could not sign because of the restriction on women. I am not against prevention. and really? Did CJ Mahaney in calling any discussion on molestations, gossip and preaching the doctrine of sin leveling? We learned that half of our sons childhood was a lie. So when this kid used the word I pretended that I knew what she was talking about to save face, and then set out to investigate. Yes, I did. "Honestly, I kind of remember being bitter about it," Hoffpauir said, recalling how Newman "withdrew" from his life as his relationship with his future wife began to blossom. I thought it was delightful and I did not see anything particularly religious about it at the time. They even have a public relations specialist.. @ okrapod: We also have this notion that bad people will look bad, kind of like in Disney shows where the good are beautiful and the bad are ugly. Prior to this, no one on Kanakuk staff believed that Pete Newman was abusing or had abused kids. But Im still a bit traumatized by the tour of his office, which had all manner of animal trophies. Everyone else said, 'it was so long ago. There's no one to blamebut Pete and Kanakuk. A message needs to be sent so that more children are not abused.a. How do I go about investigating a camp? It just gets worse and worse. I do, however, have issues with Love referring to himself as a victim advocate. Ichabod. These groups seem to be masters of hiding and covering up things they dont want revealed. Pete was one of the most passionate, enthusiastic and sincere (seeming) believers I had ever met. They take responsibility when they screw up. "Pretty much any chance I could get, I was trying to hang out with him," Dygert said. Dislike Share. There have been some problems with this in the business world as well. ", Newman's call came in 13 years ago, butHoffpauir said he remembers thatwhen the phone rang, he was in bed watching TV with his wife, Madison. There are wolves in sheeps clothing. (Newman, camp owner White and Kanakuk were named as defendants in that case, first filed in 2015; White and Kanakuk were later dropped from the suit. It reminds me of that whole exchange with Thabiti Anywabile where he refused to think about or look into the allegations against C J Mahaney. Not those who are actual victims from church cover up. I honestly think we are talking about 2 different things. Two years after the Newman case blew up in the media, Newman was sent to prison and Kanakuk finally introduced a "Child Protection Plan"the first time in the camp's long history that procedure and policy surrounding sexual assault was put into writing. that children, in their lives, will come in to contact with sex offenders (including those whove never been arrested, prosecuted, and convicted). (This was posted on the Open Discussion thread.). Those items would have spelled out how pedophiles are dangerous because they are charismatic and know how to get kids and adults to trust them. When I took it all togetherthe victim advocate who wont sue churches unless they are JW or something, tithe comment and the other stuff already mentioned, my radar went off. The Slick Deceiver is Anti in the sense of being an imitation of, and works from the Inside. In a faith community where a persons OWN informed moral conscience, when exercised after considering ones personal situation, what the Church teaches, and after prayer for guidance from the Holy Spirit, takes priority over ANY external authoritarian direction, And Im sure there are many people outside the House of Driscoll who think Im defiling their holy temple just by standing on the sidewalk as a (very imperfect) warning about whats within. Come to find out it was because they did not give tenure to a very Calvinist prof. Then these same Mohler appointed leaders, speaking for Ky baptists, threatened to take away the 1 million dollar a year subsidy to the college. People do convert out from the kind of fundamentalism that Patterson comes from, but its more into some mainland Christian denomination or possibly Episcopalian or Anglican. Ive been there many times. Victim advocates and prosecutors have also said the number of Newman's victimscould be in the "hundreds.". How to Resign from a Church Lydia wrote: Not everything labeled church is promoting the Truth. But I dont know that this movement appeals to as many people as they seem to think it will. They cop to a much lessor offense at the podium and then the pew sitters tell each other how humble their wonderful pastor is. http://www.netgrace.org/how-we-help They can do their jobs well, even though theyre getting paid by the business. Ive seen it happen. There is no more blatant picture of filth than one who would victimize and seek to corrupt innocent, vulnerable children. Our camo will be modest dresses when we infiltrate the conventions. http://www.nakedpastor.com/2015/07/dentists-lions-and-equal-opportunity/. Most of these cases are taken on a contingency fee basis. My wife came home early from church last week, apparently the sermon was quite graphic about appropriate sex between a man & a woman. I would have much rather had Patterson at SEBTS than Akin. punitive Kamp Kanakuk failed miserably in this regard. Thats sort of the question to me. And we wonder why the Done ranks are swelling?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEVI3bmN8TI. It was freaky seeing all these ancient country and music stars up close and personal with enough makeup and plastic surgery scars to plug up the river. And while we are at it, Wesleys quadrilateral includes experience along with scripture, tradition and reason as to the variables determining what people believe, but Hookers three legged stool does not include experience but only scripture, tradition and reason. @ Christiane: @ BeenThereDoneThat: Second: I am commenting only to add some insight to the discussion. Published: Nov. 18, 2022 at 1:49 PM PST. And she realized, oh no, something had happened. The police will generally only end up arresting the actual offender, which doesnt do anything to change the hiring practices, system protection in place, etc. I honestly cannot understand what motivates these people, unless it really is the protect men and pastors first. And to gather Intelligence to use on their next targets. But only he and Newman were present, he now recalls. Why is this so *hard* for churches to get right? And at that point, I was like, OK, this is weird. They are out there but can be hard to find as they dont tend to attract much attention to themselves. church must be a relational tension-free zone (to be legit). We have decided to redact his name for the sake of privacy. Even with Dr. Kloudas lawsuit, the judge declared the seminary, a church, and threw it out. http://www.vachss.com/. "And the counselor was like, the camp's reaching out to victims, and don't worry about that. To say his affect was hypnotic, would be an understatement. He also hung out with Newman "just in town." He sold mini busts of himself at one convention back in the 90s(?). Yep. http://www.khou.com/news/local/texas/camo-n-cream-ice-cream-new-flavor-from-blue-bell-inspired-by-camouflage-trend/312403852. For years I tried to forget about it, stuffed it away in the depths of my mind only sharing it with my wife and counselor. I thought that was interesting. I harbored no notions that it was safer because it was smaller and closer to homeshe was able to bunk with a friend and I was just ready to loosen my reins a little for her. Ive sat through youth ministry volunteer training with MinistrySafe, and they get it. In the summer of 2003, the petition says, Newman lured the children with a yellow jeep into "spending time with him on Kanakuk property.". Even some small towns. Velour wrote: And I told him, 'I don't feel comfortable with that.'". That is justice considering how hard it is to catch them. 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